Curse

Ewon · Feb 05, 2011, 06:56 PM // 18:56

It's pretty clear that they don;t much care for GW 1 anymore. Too bad GW 1 is the game I like/play...

Shayne Hawke · Feb 05, 2011, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Ewon

I gotta say though, even though I get pissed about it, can we really get mad at the people just racing to the end? I mean, that is what this game is for.

You can race to the end without screwing up other people's records. It's not in your interest if you're on the highscore list and are trying to protect your own score, but it's also a great way to not piss off other racers on the highscore list, many of which are plenty decent at just racing for first place. Those are the kinds of racers that you don't want to be making angry if you want your own shot at a highscore, or even to finish races with any consistency.

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For some reason Anet decided to reward people for the fastest scores even though that isn;t what the race is about.

The reward is the reason that the race is about getting the fastest time and directly influences the behavior of racers in the arena. It's not like people were doing for this for fun and for finishing first, and then ANet decided to start rewarding the fastest racers. The reward has always been around, and it has always been a goal for some to put out the fastest times they can in order to get this reward.

Ewon · Feb 05, 2011, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

You can race to the end without screwing up other people's records. It's not in your interest if you're on the highscore list and are trying to protect your own score, but it's also a great way to not piss off other racers on the highscore list, many of which are plenty decent at just racing for first place. Those are the kinds of racers that you don't want to be making angry if you want your own shot at a highscore, or even to finish races with any consistency.

The reward is the reason that the race is about getting the fastest time and directly influences the behavior of racers in the arena. It's not like people were doing for this for fun and for finishing first, and then ANet decided to start rewarding the fastest racers. The reward has always been around, and it has always been a goal for some to put out the fastest times they can in order to get this reward.

Seems you missed my point.

You can't tell me the entire reason of Rollerbeetle racing, for every player, is to get the mini. Yes, I agree that I would rather race to the end with people who just want the fastest time, and that would be great, but the kd skills are there. I would say the general guildwars player base is just rollerbeetle racing for the game itself, and that means playing the game for what it is. Not what the top100 highs core seekers say it should be. I'm not saying everyone should be kding each other and doing anything to get first place. I would much rather just go for high scores and I refuse to use my kd skills (other than ram, but I don;t mean to hit with it), but that was not the entent of the game. Kd skills would not have been added if that was the case.

Hobbs · Feb 05, 2011, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Winning gives me the most Gamer points, KDing others increases my chance of winning, so I KD other racers. I'm looking for Gamer points not a high score so KDing makes perfect sense to me.

Killed u man · Feb 05, 2011, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Hobbs

Winning gives me the most Gamer points, KDing others increases my chance of winning, so I KD other racers. I'm looking for Gamer points not a high score so KDing makes perfect sense to me.

Agreed, I can definatly see why people would want to play competitively. (As in more of a mario bash style)

They should've split up RBR in 2 different categories then, one for speed racers (maybe even without KD's and invidiual maps) and one for group racers.

Shayne Hawke · Feb 05, 2011, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

They should've split up RBR in 2 different categories then, one for speed racers (maybe even without KD's and invidiual maps) and one for group racers.

There could be nothing better for a botter than to have a map with no obstructions of racers or KDs. Highscores could become ridiculously automated. "No thanks" to this.

Artisan Archer · Feb 05, 2011, 09:59 PM // 21:59

I must admit the competition is pretty fierce this year, is there any kind of proof for those bots or is it just people yelling 'bot' on a forum?

Ewon · Feb 05, 2011, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by Artisan Archer

I must admit the competition is pretty fierce this year, is there any kind of proof for those bots or is it just people yelling 'bot' on a forum?

We are saying the syncers are the problem, not crying bot

Shayne Hawke · Feb 05, 2011, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by Ewon

We are saying the syncers are the problem, not crying bot

I have met syncers only twice this season out of all of the races I've played. Where are you looking?

novawhiz · Feb 05, 2011, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Yes there are plenty of botters out there. It is incredibly easy to bot, its a uniform track with enter mission button.

Obviously, the bot isnt nearly as good as a human and has no AI or reactionary response to the other players, but when you have 3-5+ accounts running 24/7 for the event its pretty easy to get at least 1 spot on the top 100 list.

Just think how many runs that is over the course of the event for just 1 account. Then imagine people with well over 5 accounts. Thats a lot of runs with echo+beetle, or even just super beetle every single crate.

And anyone who wanted to make a bot for it has had what, like 7 events now to 100% perfect the bot?

And of course anet wont/cant do anything about them like, so it just continues.

Artisan Archer · Feb 05, 2011, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by novawhiz

Yes there are plenty of botters out there. It is incredibly easy to bot, its a uniform track with enter mission button.

Obviously, the bot isnt nearly as good as a human and has no AI or reactionary response to the other players, but when you have 3-5+ accounts running 24/7 for the event its pretty easy to get at least 1 spot on the top 100 list.

Just think how many runs that is over the course of the event for just 1 account. Then imagine people with well over 5 accounts. Thats a lot of runs with echo+beetle, or even just super beetle every single crate.

And anyone who wanted to make a bot for it has had what, like 7 events now to 100% perfect the bot?

And of course anet wont/cant do anything about them like, so it just continues.

Any proof maybe?

Killed u man · Feb 05, 2011, 10:35 PM // 22:35

Posting any proof of bots is strictly prohobitited by guru rules. But a quick trip to google takes you to the most commonly known botting development website there is.

It's not even bots that play for you that's the problem, it's all the other stuff you can by modyfying your client:

You can increase your sync with the server through various methods (too complicated to explain), you can keep track of who used what skill, you can cut corners perfectly and so much more.

All that stuff that you claim makes you a good RBR is the stuff that's botable.

Why? Because RBR is not hard, it's just knowing when to use what skill, and since the map is static, it's always at the same time. As explained in my original post: RBR is one of the easiest formats in Guild Wars: once you know where to use your skills, you can get a 485K time.

Heck, I've gotten a 483K time myself with a shitty start using the youtube video as a guideline.

So then my point still is: Why is it always the same people in top 100 if RBR is so easy? Obvious anwser: ... (Pssst, it's called cheating be it through syncing, exploiting, hacking or whatever)

And as a reward, Anet gives not 1 mini rollerbeetle, but 1 mini rollerbeetle per acount these cheaters can get into top 100.

Artisan Archer · Feb 05, 2011, 10:56 PM // 22:56

Syncing isn't technically cheating and I don't know what you mean by exploiting/hacking. I haven't seen a single script/program that does anything RBR related.

Because people are better than `me at something doesn't make me automatically assume they cheat. Sometimes they just are.

Scheda · Feb 05, 2011, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Heck, I've gotten a 483K time myself with a shitty start using the youtube video as a guideline.

So then my point still is: Why is it always the same people in top 100 if RBR is so easy?

Well, if you weren't cheating when getting a similiar time, how come you assume the others are?

It's quite rough though. It looks like there are about 5 entries with over 481k added to the list every hour. I remember the first event when the #1 time was what? 479k? He would have been easily shoved off by now.

Killed u man · Feb 05, 2011, 11:11 PM // 23:11

There's no such thing as better, I've explained why in the past 10 posts. I've also explained what these hacks and exploits are, and 2 minutes google will get you to them. (or atleast the bot)

Seems to me you're not ever bothering to read any post, but I don't gues I don't need to point out why you, Shayne or other "pro 100" posters here are the only ones defending it.

Imagine if every non champ range guild called every champ range guild cheaters. Yet that doesn't happen, why? Because people know and feel that getting crange doesn't require you to cheat.

Yet people are calling out top 100 RBR (the only people that are defending top 100 RBR's are the ones who are in it

) because, partially through my efforts of raising general awareness, people are aware of the cheating going on.

I, and most people, can accept we'll never have a gold cape for whatever reason. Most people, however, won't accept (alteast not the ones who RBR) the fact that they won't get a mini greased lightning because there's other people cheating theirs.

Scheda · Feb 05, 2011, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Most people, however, won't accept (alteast not the ones who RBR) the fact that they won't get a mini greased lightning because there's other people cheating theirs.

In dubio pro reo.

Artisan Archer · Feb 05, 2011, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

There's no such thing as better, I've explained why in the past 10 posts. I've also explained what these hacks and exploits are, and 2 minutes google will get you to them. (or atleast the bot)

Disagreeing with you =/= not reading your posts. I read your post and answered them. Also, I did try googling and there is no such bot publicly available.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Seems to me you're not ever bothering to read any post, but I don't gues I don't need to point out why you, Shayne or other "pro 100" posters here are the only ones defending it.

And the only ones attacking are you and other "noob non top 100" posters. Are you implying me and Shayne cheat/sync/hack ourselves?

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Imagine if every non champ range guild called every champ range guild cheaters. Yet that doesn't happen, why? Because people know and feel that getting crange doesn't require you to cheat.

Yet people are calling out top 100 RBR (the only people that are defending top 100 RBR's are the ones who are in it

) because, partially through my efforts of raising general awareness, people are aware of the cheating going on.

Actually plenty of people QQ about certain crange guilds in GvG all the time. Invoke-spike, B-spam etc.
As far as I can see the only people calling out the top 100 RBR are the people not it. Why? Because if you're in it you KNOW it's not impossible to do without cheating, or even do it 7 times on different accounts, given you have enough friends/time dedicated to it. I don't know why it's so hard to believe for you.

Yeah it sucks people are gonna get 10 beetles cause they have 10 accounts in the top 100. But what do I care, I only want one, so I just go for one time that's good enough and be done with it. All I hear from you is; aaah it's too hard cause the other kids are taking up all the spaces in the top 100! So why not just be better than them and plant a score above them?
If you wanne keep telling yourself it's everyone else's fault except for your lack of skill/determination, then yeah, you never will win one.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

I, and most people, can accept we'll never have a gold cape for whatever reason. Most people, however, won't accept (alteast not the ones who RBR) the fact that they won't get a mini greased lightning because there's other people cheating theirs.

I'm glad you speak for everyone else, since they obviously can't voice their own opinion on this public forum... /sarcasm

Ewon · Feb 05, 2011, 11:53 PM // 23:53

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Originally Posted by Artisan Archer

Yeah it sucks people are gonna get 10 beetles cause they have 10 accounts in the top 100. But what do I care, I only want one, so I just go for one time that's good enough and be done with it. All I hear from you is; aaah it's too hard cause the other kids are taking up all the spaces in the top 100! So why not just be better than them and plant a score above them?
If you wanne keep telling yourself it's everyone else's fault except for your lack of skill/determination, then yeah, you never will win one.

So lets look at 1 example of a person on the top 100, Ewok. He ended up getting 17 beetles last year, and last time I checked, he will be getting at least another 5 this year. Are you telling us this is fine, he has skill and can get this many beetles? You don't see anything wrong with this at all? Though the really problem is that Anet does not see anything wrong in this....

Edit: He is getting 7 this year now

Shayne Hawke · Feb 06, 2011, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by Ewon

So lets look at 1 example of a person on the top 100, Ewok. He ended up getting 17 beetles last year, and last time I checked, he will be getting at least another 5 this year. Are you telling us this is fine, he has skill and can get this many beetles? You don't see anything wrong with this at all?

Edit: He is getting 7 this year now

Multi-accounting isn't "fair" to me, but to use that as an excuse for saying that you can't win a beetle is poor. Unless you can pull 483k+ consistently with the combo, you have room to improve.

Until ANet gets pushed to take a stance and ban people who take up multiple positions on the leaderboard, it's going to be "fair" play. Taking up a stance on this however might mean that they'd have to take a stance against other uses of multiple accounts (farming titles for one account by using another, Nicholas gifts on multiple accounts, using smurf accounts in GvG/tourney matches, etc). You know they can't police that; they don't have the infrastructure in place to monitor how many accounts one person is holding exactly, and it wouldn't be worth their time to do it anyways.

So the only thing you can do if you want to get on the leaderboard is to quit whining and improve.

I mean, if the map and skills really are that static, how are you not on the leaderboard yet? Oops, 'cuz ur bad.

Ewon · Feb 06, 2011, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Multi-accounting isn't "fair" to me, but to use that as an excuse for saying that you can't win a beetle is poor. Unless you can pull 483k+ consistently with the combo, you have room to improve.

Until ANet gets pushed to take a stance and ban people who take up multiple positions on the leaderboard, it's going to be "fair" play. Taking up a stance on this however might mean that they'd have to take a stance against other uses of multiple accounts (farming titles for one account by using another, Nicholas gifts on multiple accounts, using smurf accounts in GvG/tourney matches, etc). You know they can't police that; they don't have the infrastructure in place to monitor how many accounts one person is holding exactly, and it wouldn't be worth their time to do it anyways.

So the only thing you can do if you want to get on the leaderboard is to quit whining and improve.

I mean, if the map and skills really are that static, how are you not on the leaderboard yet? Oops, 'cuz ur bad.

aka it's ok seeing as you have your 1 high score. Good for you, I wish I could have that sort of thinking.

btw, i never said I couldn't get a high score/wasn't on the high score board. Just because I can get my 1 beetle doesn't mean i don;t think it's wrong that 1 person will be getting 10+ more this year.